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Oogie Booge racial stereotype?
Yes
5%
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No
11%
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BULLCRAP!!
72%
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ABSOLUTELY!
0%
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Oogie's an idiot
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:25:53 am    Post subject: Oogie Boogie Controversy Reply with quote

Hey guys, I was just going through an article for family-friendly Halloween movies (I have no idea why I was, I'm a readaholic) and the Nightmare Before Christmas was one of them. At the end of the Nightmare part, it said something about some parents being upset about "the racial stereotype of the antagonist." Now, I chalked this up to stupid, over-sensitive parents, because I've never thought Oogie was a racial stereotype. In fact, I thought Ken Page was white, judging from both Oogie's voice and King Gator's voice.

Then I looked at the Nightmare Before Christmas page and found that this bit was added:

"Danny Elfman was worried the characterization of Oogie Boogie would be considered racist by National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP).[13] Elfman's predictions came true; however, director Henry Selick stated the character was inspired from the Betty Boop cartoon The Old Man of the Mountain. "Cab Calloway would dance his inimitable jazz dance and sing "Minnie the Moocher" or "Old Man of the Mountain", and they would rotoscope him, trace him, turn him into a cartoon character, often transforming him into an animal, like a walrus," Selick continued. "I think those are some of the most inventive moments in cartoon history, in no way racist, even though he was sometimes a villain. We went with Ken Page, who is a black singer and he had no problem with it"."

And on Oogie Boogie's page:

"Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic lament Oogie Boogie's use of "blackspeak" as a means of distinguishing him as the film's antagonist."

Considering that this is Wikipedia that we're talking about, I'm not sure if this is true or not (though Wikipedia did have a reference for the bit under Oogie's page). But in my opinion, I think this is a bunch of bullcrap. As I said before, before this whole thing came up, I have assumed Ken Page was white. Now how on earth can a character be a racial stereotype if you can't even tell if the character's voice actor is black or white?

(And I also find the bit under Oogie kinda weird, because it sounded racist to me. Use "blackspeak" as a means of distinguishing him as the film's antagonist? Uh, no. He wants to eat Sandy and Sally. That distinguishes him as the antagonist.)

I could say a lot more on the subject, but I'm more interested in your opinions. Is Oogie Boogie a racial stereotype?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:03:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is a giant sack of bugs, how the hell can anyone find that racist
and for the voice, well, his voice suits him, origianolly his voice was gonna be like one from texas
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:52:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I decided to do a bit of research on the Internet, and I can't find much else about this. I even looked at the NAACP website and didn't find anything. Can't find where Danny Elfman said he was worried about the characterization either, or Henry debuking this. I found the book where the authors say Oogie Boogie is racist, but can't find anything about Oogie Boogie. I'm only finding a couple of sites citing what Wikipedia said exactly. So, I'm thinking this may only be an ill-humored prank.

Another thing: Why is Oogie being cited as a racial stereotype now? The Nightmare Before Christmas has been out for sixteen years, wouldn't someone say something before now? The Lion King was jumped immediately for racism when it came out. I'm not being racist, I just hate it when someone shouts "racism!" when there's NOT racism, it detracts from real racism.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:54:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agreed with oyu, but I do not find anything racial about Oogie though.. I just think that the voice suited ver well and is very jazzy.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:22:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

exactaly... it suits him better than a texan voice... no offence texas
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:20:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

None taken... *Is a Texan herself*
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry..., i just think it wouldnt suit oogie.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:39:57 pm    Post subject: huh?? Reply with quote

Oogie, racial? BULL$H1T. Are peeple stupid?
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